Monday, 30 July 2012

and again....

Again from Dan Stokes: (my responses in RED)


Once again I am using this space to respond to CT's attacks on me which have resulted from this thread.
I never claimed that "the Aztec heads were salvaged for both of them" (them being the two season 4 sonics) I claimed that the Aztec head was used on one of the props, the one MFX researched and the one David Tennant now owns. Please read more carefully. Indeed you did, and I have noted that and everything I stated subsequently took this into account. Sloppy writing in my part but you're splitting hairs as it doesn't make the slightest difference to my argument. I know you said only one Aztec head was used. 

You claim "I possess the Aztec head CAD files and what you see in my Mk1 S3-4 sonic IS the Aztec head."
I have seen absolutely no evidence to support this claim. Your eyes should have alerted you. Other proof...well, I've actually sent that to people I actually do like, so believe what you will, I've actually hinted at this in my blog over a course of the past three years just as I have with the paint. If you're too thick to see it, not my fault. I blame your parentage.

And you have always asserted, up until now, that that your mk1 Tennant sonic was extrapolated from the sonic you said you had examined--the season 1 Eccleston slider prop. Indeed I have and that still remains true but ask yourself, why I have done certain thing the way I have? Why have I added in details that I have? Just because i don't share them publicly does not mean I don't share. Read between the lines, you fuckwit. There is a lot of stuff going on here that you haven't a clue about.

You write "All other comparisons were done with either screenshots of the 'a' prop or comparisons to the Aztec head used on my Mk1 sonics. According to you, the 'a' prop used an Aztec head, it means my comparisons were inadvertently correct which does not render them invalid but actually lends weight to them. Nice one ********, thanks for that". 

Once again, I have never seen any evidence to show that you're mk1 Tennant resembles the Aztec head.  Your eyes? How about doing a nice overlay? Look and you shall find, you moron. If you cannot see a pristine Aztec head, you're a bigger moron than I thought.

You're now claiming that your mk1 Tennant sonic uses the cad files from an Aztec sonic.
But this is in direct conflict with everything you've previously said about this prop.
You've always claimed that your Eccleston sonics, and the Tennant mk1 sonic that you extrapolated from your Eccleston replica, were made from your references of "the Penny Howarth made hero prop", and specifically not the Aztec prop. ""It was extrapolated from the idealised S1-2" 

" As I have stated on record, this was derived from my Season 1-2 sonic from which I had extrapolated from".The Celestial Toystore: The Ultimate Edition 10th Doctor Sonic Screwdriver

"I had not had access to the Tennant prop. I have never claimed it was 100% perfect and never claimed anything other than it was extrapolated from my near 100% accurate Eccleston sonic." The Celestial Toystore: Omygod they killed Kenney (you bastards!)

"Just to make sure that the moron Phez is 100% clear on this point, I have never claimed access to the Tennant prop just the Season 1 prop. My replica has been extrapolated from the Season 1 prop" The Celestial Toystore: The turd that won't flush

"Little is really known about the Aztec and there has been a lot of myth that surrounds the original Season 1 prop. I had the pleasure of measuring one of the Season 1 props: the 'wide slider' version that featured the 0.25mm step below the struts but this version, although able to extend, was not really considered a 'hero' prop as such as it was quite battered and had to be held in such a way as to hide the 8mm wide slot in the body". The Celestial Toystore: Secrets of the Aztec

You have consistently claimed for the past few years that you had access to the wide slider prop, not the Aztec prop. But now you seem to be changing your tune. 

Mostly all of your defenses from this point relies on your claim to have used the Aztec cad files for your Tennant mk1 sonic, so I'll forgo further dissection of those points. And this is 100% true. But it does not mean that I have to admit certain things in the public domain. Yes, the wide slider prop was the main reference source but certain extra things were referred to. It's like the whole issue of prop access. I have had, do and may still, have access to certain things I am not supposed to. But just because I am coy about it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I just don't say because it compromises my sources of access. I share my info with certain people because I like them and they can be trusted. They are not pricks like you. You can call me out on it but fuck you, I don't give a fuck because those that matter know what the truth is and they know I am telling it. You, however, are a weaselly little fuck with an attitude problem and an overactive sense of entitlement. I put in clues in what i say because I like creating puzzles. So piss off. 

You state that the emitter on the MFX was cast metal because it "corrodes easier than the rest of the sonic and appears to rust in places, which suggests a casting alloy". First of all, I've never seen anyone's MFX sonic with rust on it. Rust is the result of Iron oxidation and the MFX head has no iron in it. (Use a magnet to test this if you don't believe me) There may be aluminum oxide on the emitter head, aluminum does oxidize, but it's not rust. But, beyond that aside, you're missing the more obvious answer to your theory of different alloys, which is that oxidation occurs more rapidly on a piece of metal with a dull finish than it does with a machine polished finished. The emitter heads became dull during the deburring process. The rest of the aluminum parts were not deburred in this way so they retained a higher shine. As time when on the dull parts oxidized quicker. Go take a piece of aluminum. Put a nice freshly machined shine on one part. Now take some scotchbright to another part of that same piece of aluminum and remove the tool marks, but in the process rough up the surface. Now watch which part oxidizes first. Don't be patronising. I have been doing this a lot longer than you have, you fucking cretin. I do this for a living, you're a fucking amateur in every sense of the word. I know at least one MFX owner that has a head that has minute spots of rust like dirt. Personally, that is the only one I have seen. What I am suggesting is a degree of oxidation that is not consistent with machined aluminium, rumbled or not. It is consistent with a pouring alloy. You've got an answer for one thing, how about answering why the head is not perfectly circular? I maintain that it was likely the head was cast off a machined die.

Eventually in your response, when you run out of reasonable answers to my objections you just turn to insults and off hand dismissals without answers "You have no interest in finding out what is correct, you're just hell bent on making it look like I'm wrong. I don't give a **** as I've seen the prop, you haven't, so **** off you loser and go CAD up some more proof to support your dogma" 

What dogma am I trying to prove? I have no interest in the MFX sonic. I have no association with the people who ran or worked for MFX. I didn't put any stock in them, and even if I did they're all sold and gone now. You are trying to prove I am wrong. You lack basic fucking respect. You lack the intelligence, the insight and the sheer class to learn when to shut the fuck up and see the bigger picture. You have NO idea what is going on here. You can barely see straight let alone comprehend the more subtle facts of what I do and how I do it because you don't want to as the  reality will probably drive you sick with envy. So instead of taking the time to engage brain, you put your fingers in your ears and go 'lalalalalala' because the possibility of me being right sickens you. 

Furthermore, with this post "I used the Perfetto brand because it was easily available. It is IDENTICAL to Aleenes. It is the exact same stuff, molecule for molecule you retarded ****. Do I use it? Maybe I do, maybe I don't. But I will say something, those of you out there who know the truth are secretly pissing themselves over how big a fool you have made yourself look with this last bit. I'll save that for another day. ;-)" makes me wonder if you've ever actually gotten a hold of any Aleene's crackle because if you did, you'd know that the consistency, application process, and appearance of the two products couldn't be more different. You are such a fucking douche. I'll do another tutorial shall I using both products? They are identical in every way you fucking idiot. If you don't see that, then you are cack handed loser. Ask Aleenes, ask Perfetto. They use the same fucking supplier you dumbass fucktard.

Oh, and there is one other point that you did not answer. Which is that you lie, that you posted lies about me and insulted me before I had ever said two words to or about you.
You assert "This project was something you had discussed and had talked to Russ about. I know this for a fact" 
PROVE THIS OR APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A LIAR.

I know for a fact that you cannot support this assertions in any way because I know for a fact that they are 100% untrue.

You write "you had a project and the intent to do so and you had made arrangements to make it happen" This is a complete fabrication and you cannot possibly have any support for your claims because they never happened. You just made it up and lied about it. Now you're caught and you think you can worm your way out by persisting in your lie and you think if you just keep saying it over and over it will become true. But I'm sorry, that's not how lies work. I don't need to. You proved it for me, you dickhead. Your statement about me trying to 'discredit your project' is enough proof all by itself.  I'm not retracting it. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT???? CUNT.

You tell your fans "I may be an *******, but I'm an honest one". But in your blog about me you didn't address how you saw someone else making a NS sonic screwdriver replica and decided to post lies about that person on your blog in order to discredit the project with ABSOLUTELY no basis for your assertions. Nope, I didn't discredit you. You pretty much discredited yourself. You want to make a sonic? Go ahead. I'm not stopping you. Won't stop me taking the piss out of you though. Why? Because you're a complete clown and I cannot stand you.



You say "I've never wanted enemies but some idiots just hate me for no reason. So I give them a reason". That's exactly how I felt when you started making up **** about me and insulting me, when I had NEVER ONCE SAID A SINGLE THING ABOUT YOU. No, not directly. But oblique dismissals of my work, a total lack of respect every time anyone ever mentioned me or my products, your tunnel vision evey time anyone brought up something of mine that conflicted with your narrow world view....that pretty sums up the level of respect you show me. So because of that, I don't see why I have to be nice to you. Is that clear enough for you or do I have to post a huge picture of someone flipping you the bird?



You say that "The last vestiges of respect I had for Stokes has vanished"

Well I the last vestige of respect I had for you vanished when you started posting lies about me before you even knew who I was. When you see someone make up lies about you, and tell other people these lies, you start to question what else they have lied about in the past. That's why I think your blog is full or ****. That is why I don't take any claim you make at face value. Because I know for a fact that you are a liar. At this point I really don't give a flying fuck anymore. Whatever i say, you'll just argue against, so what's the point? You're coming out of this looking like a twat. Me? I couldn't care less. You make your bed, you lie in it. I call it like I see it. I have to admit, your vehement denial made me question what I was told by the guy who tipped me off to this. I was almost willing to think you may be on the level but as soon as you said I was discrediting your project and not you, that pretty much confirmed it. Don't be sore about it, shit happens. 

Here we go again....

Posted by Dan 'Anakin Starkiller' Stokes: 

(My responses in RED):


The Following is in response to CT's recent blog about me.Erroneous information on CT’s blog that needs to be corrected.
The Season 3-4 Sonic. 

To start off with. CT has and currently does sell two models of sonic screwdrivers. In the past he had what he called an Eccleston season 1-2 sonic and a Tennant season 3-4 sonic. Now he has his Aztec sonic, which has replaced his Eccleston sonic and his updated Tennant season 3-4 sonic. 

As such, he perpetuated the misinformation that David Tennant used the same sonic prop in seasons 3 and 4. This is information is wrong. The siding prop that DT used in season 3 was built by Mark Cordory out of the remains of the Eccleston season 1 prop and Tennant season 2 prop (which was the wide slider fx sonic). The body on this prop featured a square slider that was held in place by two slotted screws and used a third slotted screw to actuate the light. Nick Robatto has shared pictures of the remains of this sonic and the body can be seen here. http://www.therpf.com/f9/9-10-sonic-...e-info-137253/ Correct, it is the 'intermediate' sonic last used in Runaway Bride however I did not once state Tennant used the same prop in season 3 and 4. In my blog post here:  http://celestialtoystore.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/color-of-sonics.html  I clearly state: 



"These props were refurbed continually until Season 3 when a new slider control was designed beginning the evolution of the Season 1 props into the Tennant prop we are familiar with. Basically, they retained the Eccleston body and grey color scheme but implemented changes to the slider assembly, where the trapezoidal button was removed and replaced with a curved plate, the microswitch was changed into a long button version and sunk into the battery tube with the top of the button column poking out through a hole in the centre of the slider plate. The wires inside the acrylic rod were changed to yellow. I call this sonic the 'Intermediate' sonic...Further along into Season 3 the Intermediate sonic changes and the hitherto clear central channel begins to mist up and give the illusion that it is in fact, a solid central rod or sleeve....This is an optical illusion caused by the oil used within the channel to fill in the tiny scratches and cracks to aid transparency flowing out leaving the misted up channel.

...In Season 4, things get even more interesting still as there is a whole new hero prop added to the mix with the distinctive new ridges and the tactile switch was replaced with a leaf spring contact assembly with self coloured button . Accounts vary as to when this was built but most accounts have it built during the prop refurb between series 3 and 4 and there is uncertainty about whether there were one or two built. This retains all the characteristics of the Intermediate 1 prop including the color. You can see this prop and the distinctive new ridges in the following shot from Partners In Crime, the Season 4 opener:"

Epic fail number 1 Mr Stokes.




This sliding prop, made by Mark Corday, and the Aztec props (which did not have a slider, but a tac switch embedded to the side of the prop) were the props used for season 3. The season 4 sonics were different builds. If you read Nick Robatto’s web page you will see this stated clearly.
For season 4, Nick Robatto took the season 3 slider prop, and an Aztec prop and cannibalized the heads to make two new props for the remainder of Tennant’s tenure as the Doctor and for Matt Smith’s first episode. 

I am aware that there were two new sonics made but I do not believe for one minute that the Aztec heads were salvaged for both of them. Why? Because I possess the Aztec head CAD files and what you see in my Mk1 S3-4 sonic IS the Aztec head. There are distinct differences between the Aztec heads and the subsequent heads, namely the bevel just above the teeth and the thickness of the struts and the window bisection on the struts. I grant that it may entirely be possible from the pic below that on the S4a prop this is the case as I have not handled it, so even if the head may have been remachined due to damage but the fundamental geometry does not change, The b prop cannot possibly be an Aztec head as even though it has been heavily remachined, the proportions are all wrong.

The prop that was made out of Mark Cordory’s season 3 emitter head became the prop used in the 11th Hour by Matt Smith. I can go with that.
The prop that was made out of the Aztec emitter head became the prop that was referenced by MFX in building their replica and can be seen here. Again, that makes sense.
It is currently owned by David Tennant.
The two props differ subtly from each other. Because the emitter heads came from different sources, the DT sonic (and I use this abbreviation to signify the prop now owned by David Tennant, but of course both props were used by Tennant as the Doctor) features an emitter head with slightly larger and squarer windows. Correct and well spotted. Hence why the windows on my Mk1 sonics are larger and squarer. The grip ridges are a bit rounder and more bulbous, and the bottom aluminum cylinder is a bit thicker. So why did MFX fuck up the head? It should be near identical to my S3-4 head in size and proportions. Answer me that, dickhead.




I have attempted to illustrate some of the body details here http://www.therpf.com/f9/millennium-...ml#post2387777

The 11th hour sonic can additionaly be distinguished in its later appearances by the addition of a cross head screw that was added at the base of the sliding channel. 
The “teeth” on the bodies and emitters of the two sonics are also aligned differently. Actually, the teeth and head alignment can and has changed. By default, both sonics were aligned identically. The b sonic is aligned exactly the same as the a sonic above. 
So, when CT talks about a season 3-4 sonic. He is really confusing everyone who listens to him since the sliding sonic used in season 3 and the sliding sonics used in season 4 were totally different builds. Refer above, I never said that. The Season 3-4 sales tag was only used to differentiate it broad from the season 1-2 sonic. It was never supposed to be definitive of one model used in one season. Nice try wanker, but surely you must have something better than that???



Now onto CT’s posts concerning the MFX replica.
When CT reviewed the MFX replica. He compared the emitter head on his Eccleston sonic to that on the MFX. Here is what he wrote. 


" Let's take a close-up comparison of the head:
The finish is completely wrong on the MFX and the proportions and dimensions are all over the place. The head should look elegant and slender yet on the MFX there is a squatness and cylindrical look. Compare with my head which looks more balanced, more slender due to the correct window placement and thicker struts. Overall detail in the MFX is incredibly low with dull edges and lack of definition especially in the struts which need to stand proud of the main body in order to avoid the flat cylindrical shape the MFX exhibits.



The lens cap is also the wrong shape and colour. The prop possessed a shiny gloss cap of dark blue yet the MFX has a dull matt finish and the incorrect colour. The shape is also wrong in that it is a partial hemisphere. The prop possessed a straight cylindrical side topped with a hemisphere as does mine. It also varied in height depending on who assembled the prop so therefore the lens cap sometimes sits quite high up in the emitter head showing more of the straight sides and sometimes low. I have adopted a mid position often seen during Season 2 as seen here:

"


Now there are a couple things wrong with this comparison. First off, in comparing as a tool by which to assess the accuracy of the MFX. He’s using his own replica as the standard of accuracy against which another replica is to be measured, a comparison which as Shawn McBeen (Jedibugs) might argue is flawed “Yeah, I love how he's using his own models as proof of something. Talk about an inflated ego.”. No I'm not. I'm making a comparison of my replica against the MFX and then making a comparison with the actual prop. I'm not holding mine up as the benchmark. I am holding the prop as the benchmark to which both mine and MFX should be compared. What fucking planet do you live on? You compared your model to the MFX and stated that your model was akin to the original. It isn't. Proof does not work that way or are you some fucking tool?



Then, instead of comparing the MFX to a photo of the prop which it was modeled after—the season 4 prop made from the emitter head taken from an Aztec prop—CT compared the MFX prop to a blurry photo of the season 3 slider prop that was made by Mark Cordory. So, many of the differences he’s highlighting as deficiencies in the MFX prop are due to the fact that he was comparing two different props and two different emitter heads. 2 things here: At the time I did those comparisons, I was unaware of the Intermediate sonic and so was everyone else. I used that particular pic above to highlight one point and one point only: the lens cap. All other comparisons were done with either screenshots of the 'a' prop or comparisons to the Aztec head used on my Mk1 sonics. According to you, the 'a' prop used an Aztec head, it means my comparisons were inadvertently correct which does not render them invalid but actually lends weight to them. Nice one dickhead, thanks for that.



Now, the emitter on the MFX does look a little dull. But that is not, as CT has claimed because it was cast. But because in the finishing process, the MFX emitter heads were run through a de-burring process to remove the machine marks left by milling, which gave them a sort of satin texture. I believe it was cast. Still do. Why? Because the metal is softer and corrodes easier than the rest of the sonic and appears to rust in places, which suggests a casting alloy. Machine marks can come from the die it was cast from, it is not perfect circular and why was the rest not subjected to rumbling? Questions to this day that remain unanswered. 



Now I would never contend that the MFX replica was in any way a perfect replica. But I recognize that in the manufacturing process they had two options. They could put their emitter heads through a finishing treatment that removed the tool marks, but also consequently decreased the luster and sharpness of the machining. Or they could keep the part in its raw state and leave it as is (like CT has done with his replicas and like I have done with mine) and hope not to be flooded with complaints that the sonics are covered with tool marks. I think it was done to hide the fact it was cast and remove casting flashing. It's what I would have done if I had die cast it. 

As to CT’s critique of the lens cap “The lens cap is also the wrong shape and colour. The prop possessed a shiny gloss cap of dark blue yet the MFX has a dull matt finish and the incorrect colour. The shape is also wrong in that it is a partial hemisphere. The prop possessed a straight cylindrical side topped with a hemisphere as does mine”. He provides no evidence of the season 4 sonic to support this claim. The lens was too wide for a start. The straight sidedness is evident is several screen shots from both S3 and S4. Subsequent examination of the S4 b prop have proven this to be 100% correct. 



He then goes on to critique the MFX end cap.
"The MFX endcap is substantially incorrect. It looks too boxy and squat. The original props had some degree of variance in their dimensions but the overall shape still fell within certain parameters of a millimeter or so. All exhibited a noticeable and distinctive taper. The MFX endcap is just plain wrong bears little to no resemblance to any filming prop.



Compare to the original filming prop MFX claimed to have copied:



And the 2005 Season 1 prop:



Here's what the MFX endcap should remind you of:






Yes, your eyes deceive you not, it does look very similar to a CO toy endcap!



So there you have it. Knockout I think".




However in the years since he wrote this critique. CT has admitted that the end cap on his own sonic was wrong. “I deliberately altered the design of the black bulb to change it from the original prop including the dimensions of the black bulb which were a little smaller than the prop and had a distinctive tip end. This alteration is NOTICEABLY different and distinctive from the prop”. Correct. I have admitted this error on mine. I've not tried to hide it. I've been honest about it and  corrected it by casting directly from the b prop for my UE's. So I'm human. Big deal. 




In the following months CT posted a number of other things that were not true, such as, “Neill's apparent prototypes were the same as the prop. No question. That's because MFX didn't make them. Nick Robatto, the original propmaker, did”.



CT really should go back and correct his blog, since it persists in dissemination bad information. In fact, Nick did not make the MFX prototypes, Chris Martin did. As CT himself has stated in his twitter feed form July 29, 2012.
He tussled with Neil Gordon on this point,



"So CT’s – FACT – is shown to be a complete – LIE – and fabrication and includes accusations of passing off of others work as his own against rpf. member Chris Martin. 
Nowhere above have you proven anything of the sort. Are you saying 'Chris Martin' made the slider sonic prototype or not? Because all you have shown is a couple of pics of a person with a blurred face and a psuedonym apparently measuring a few props. I still contend that the slider 'prototype' was made by and obtained from Nick Robatto. Nice try, but you are going to have to do a lot better than that". 



And he tried to use this point of contention to call Neil Gordon a liar. But now it looks like he has silently conceded this issue without an apology or emendation. Actually, I haven't silently conceded this point. I haven't bothered to amend the blog as I haven't got around to it. Now you have alerted me to this I will make it a priority. I wholeheartedly apologise for this point and shall attribute publically, the honour of having made those beautiful prototypes to Chris Martin



CT also tore apart the MFX sonic for not having “a join on the upper part of the inner recess too. This is where the ball join screws into the emitter head cage”. He claimed that this picture of the season 4 prop


Showed that the MFX emitter was inaccurate, and that it should have had a “large upper aperture where an LED holder, such as on mine will fit into. This aperture is clearly larger than the diameter of the central pipe” 
The images he posted to convince everyone were these two 


And consequently, he concluded “Look and all shall be revealed. I think this what you call, getting 'pwned', lolololol”
However, in his 2012 redesign of his Tennant season 4 prop replica, CT appears to have removed this detail from his replica—silently admitting that he was incorrect—but never apologizing to Neil for calling him a liar or amending his blog so as to reflect the truth.
If you look at CT’s new replica 


you will see that this detail—the join in the upper part--


which was so essentially missing on the MFX replica and consequently made the MFX replica a “nowhere near 'screen accurate'”.
Seems to be unimportant on CT’s new sonic.

Actually, this feature was present on the wide slider version of the prop and I incorporated it into my S1-2 Aztec models along with the 0.25mm step as I was creating an idealised version of the S1-2. It made it's way onto the S3-4 as I was extrapolating at the time for that model. Subsequent examination of the b S4 model has shown this to be erroneous. So big deal, it was corrected on the UE. What you are missing here is that despite the lack of upper led holder, the MFX lacked the lower circular coupler. So my assertion of inaccuracy is still valid. 



CT compares the emitter head of a MFX to pictures of an original sonic. But in each case, he is comparing a replica of one prop to pictures of another.
In this picture, 


CT is comparing the MFX season 4 sonic to pictures of the Mark Cordory season 3 sonic.
In this picture, CT is comparing the MFX sonic (which was modeled on the DT sonic—the one Tennant has in his collection) to the prop which would go on to be the 11th Hour sonic, which was a different prop. At the time, the DK sonic was still a mystery, even to me. It was known it was a highly photoshopped image but it was only recently revealed to be the Cordory Intermediate sonic. Again, this should be amended but I haven't got round to it. So shoot me.



I’m not saying that the MFX is 100% accurate, but I think it’s important to understand the problems with CT’s evidence. The fundamentals of my evidence are sound. They are supported by evidence. If subsequently, the evidence is shown to be erroneous, no problem, that's how we learn. I'm not too arrogant to admit I have been wrong in the past and I am willing to change my opinions if better evidence emerges. If I am so fucking up myself, do you honestly think I would release the UE? It is the MOST accurate 10th sonic ever. It also highlights things that were wrong with my previous model as well as the MFX and some of my original findings. Do I give a flying fuck? Not really. I just care about making the best replica going. That is the difference between you and I. My mind is open. You are so blinkered, you only believe what you want to believe.

In these pictures, CT is comparing the MFX, not to an original prop, but to his own replica—which even he admits was based off of the season 1 prop, not the season 4 prop--to attempt to argue for the inaccuracy of the MFX replica. Yes, but you yourself have said that the S4 'a' head was a recycled Aztec head therefore it inadvertently is a perfect comparison to my sonic head which was based on the Aztec files.


In order to elucidate his argument, CT uses his own cad models as the standard by which the MFX is to be measured “To give you a better view of what is going on, here is a pic of my CAD model of my Season 1-2 emitter:” Let me try and get this through your thick skull. I am making a comparison of MY replica to the MFX on ONE point. What you also failed to show is that I also tried to illustrate this point using other pics of the prop in question and the 3d cad model was an adjunct or supplementary to that. I never once claimed it was the prop but "MY CAD model of MY Season 1-2 emitter."  There is huge difference between that and claiming that your cad model is the same as the original prop. It isn't. It's how YOU see it, you arrogant fuck.



Subsequently, he and his supporters have argued, however, that this is not a reasonable mode of analysis and comparison. “You cannot start off with a belief then build a data set to support it” (CT). “Yeah, I love how he's using his own models as proof of something. Talk about an inflated ego”(Shawn McBee ‏@jedibugs). “You're not comparing the MFX to the original though, are you? You are comparing the MFX to a 3d model of what you think the original looks like” (LeAngeSolitaire). These guys are bang on correct. And you cannot build a data set to support a belief. You have no interest in finding out what is correct, you're just hell bent on making it look like I'm wrong. I don't give a fuck as I've seen the prop, you haven't, so fuck off you loser and go CAD up some more proof to support your dogma.




The Color and the Crackle



As to the color of the sonic, one of CT’s big gripes with the prop community at the RPF has been that he’s not given enough credit. He argues that it’s , “amazing that I still do not get any credit for a) questioning the colour b) proving the correct colour c) the crackle”.



Now in June of 2010. He made a very big deal about the color of the MFX sonic. He convinced a number of people that they had been taken by Neil Gordon because the MFX replica had been painted in Plasticote Heritage Gold. There was a big debate on the RPF where people argued over what shade of Plasticote crackle the season 4 sonic should be painted in.
CT argued




"Here's my theory over the 'Heritage Gold' color:



It is a combination of thin paint application of Plastikote Colony Cream OVER a yellow brass body PLUS natural grubbiness and accumulation of grease and dirt from prolonged handling.



I think MFX/RussRep, in the absence of a definitive color reference knew that it was PlastiKote crackle touch but didn't know the exact colour. On the shelf, the Heritage Gold was closest to the grubby sonic but in reality this was just illusory. Hence they picked the wrong colour!!!!!"



Now in the years that have past since writing this, CT has proved to be right in certain aspects and wrong in others. He was correct that the season 4 sonics were not painted in Plasticoat Heritage Gold. But he is wrong that they were painted in Plasticoat Colony Cream OVER a yellow brass body. 



In fact the bodies on the season 4 sonic were not brass, they were aluminum and Plasticoat was not used on any of the season 4 sonics. So, CT waged a Flame war against Neil Gordon and attempted to get people to take legal action against Neil Gordon for making false claims and selling an inaccurate replica. The Celestial Toystore: How to get a screen accurate Sonic Screwdriver from MFX



But he was just as mistaken as MFX was in claiming that the season 4 sonic was painted in a different shade of Plasticoat crackle.



Here is a picture of the original sonic paint job




Here is a picture of the MFX paint job that attempted to replicate this prop 



Here is a picture of one of CT’s sonics from when I released his replica of the season 4 sonic.



As you can see. Neither paint job was accurate.



It should also be noted that although CT now becomes quite upset that people do not recognize that he was the one who resolved the debate about the season 4 sonic “amazing that I still do not get any credit for a) questioning the colour b) proving the correct colour”, yet in June of 2010 he has written “It appears that the mystery of Tennant's sonic color has finally been resolved courtesy of The Card over on the Gallifrey Base forum. Because I don't want to take credit for this…”. So, apparently in June of 2010 he did not feel comfortable taking credit for another’s work but in July of 2012 he is ok with doing so.




An accurate paint job did not come until QMX released pictures of their first prototype, which looked like this. 



It was QMX’s prototype that changed people’s opinion about the crackle paint used on the original season 4 prop. And subsequently, Nick Robatto himself told the RPF that the crackle paint he used on the season 4 sonics was made by Aleene’s, not Plasticoat or Perfetto—which was the paint that CT began using on his sonics when he began attempting to replicate that achieved by QMX.



CT consistently argues that he should be given credit for “proving the correct colour c) the crackle,” but if you look at the sequence of events in detail. That credit really belongs to QMX and Nick Robatto himself.

Bullshit dickhead. QMX released pics of their prototype in late July 2010, 27th or 28th. I first posted on the ceramic crackle effect beginning of June 2010. I also promised a tutorial on how to achieve this sort of effect on 24th July. I hinted at the crackle in this post on 7th July: http://celestialtoystore.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/extreme-quality-control.html and on the 28th June I had said: http://celestialtoystore.blogspot.co.uk/2010_06_01_archive.html "That is a very good question. I know the secret to this paint and I even alluded to it about two years ago when I announced my sonics and so do several other people, even Mr Robatto himself but that is another story for another time. Whether it will be told is something that you will all have to wonder what this secret is. One hint though. Look at the crackle patterns, therein lies all manner of secrets to be unlocked."  I'm therefore going to make this easy for you to understand, you simpleton. I've known about the paint for a while, and I hinted, put clues in my posts and even told a few people privately. The fact is, QMx knew fuck all about this paint in 2010. How can they be credited with it???? It was after it became public I released the tutorial, a tutorial you read and used yourself.  Btw, I used the Perfetto brand because it was easily available. It is IDENTICAL to Aleenes. It is the exact same stuff, molecule for molecule you retarded fuck. Do I use it? Maybe I do, maybe I don't.  But I will say something, those of you out there who know the truth are secretly pissing themselves over how big a fool you have made yourself look with this last bit. I'll save that for another day. ;-)

Addendum: Whilst I was replying to this, Stokes has edited and added more. I can't really be arsed to go through his drivel as I really have better things to do but I did notice this:

"It should also be noted that although CT now becomes quite upset that people do not recognize that he was the one who resolved the debate about the season 4 sonic “amazing that I still do not get any credit for a) questioning the colour b) proving the correct colour”, yet in June of 2010 he has written “It appears that the mystery of Tennant's sonic color has finally been resolved courtesy of The Card over on the Gallifrey Base forum. Because I don't want to take credit for this…”. So, apparently in June of 2010 he did not feel comfortable taking credit for another’s work but in July of 2012 he is ok with doing so."


Let me come clean with this. The Card is actually a friend of mine in the UK called Anca. It was her who called DK at my behest. So Dan, shall we chalk that up to you being well and truly had?

As for me making up shit about him as he accused me of here:

"The other point in question that has come up is whether or not I was correct in saying that CT's blog is full of lies.

On this point I am 100% sure that I am right since he lied about me.
The Celestial Toystore: CT Aztec Universal TV remote - opinions needed
In October 2010, CT wrote
" Dan Stokes who goes by the rather bellicose moniker 'Anakin Starkiller'. This deluded carpetbagger somehow thinks he can produce an accurate machined metal sonic for $100-$200 and has been actively courting business on the RPF. It seems that this tool has harvested the wisdom and observations from this blog yet has missed out some of the more pertinent gems that I have let slip. That is, it is simply not possible to create a CNC'ed machined, accurate sonic with custom sound chip for less than what I charge and I'm in China where prices are less (but going up rapidly). Any less and I'll be doing it for charity. Dan will learn this the hard way and his little sycophants will have their hopes for a £60 sonic sadly and hilariously dashed.

Anyway, this ****stick has now roped in Russ Brown to help him machine this and we already know that Russ and his old man were responsible for the infamous MFX. Indeed, Russ has been selling unofficial MFX's for quite a while now, both above and below the counter, so maybe he will shift a few more of his 'overrun' MFX's via Dan Stokes? Who knows...maybe even QMx might use Russ too. It's very chummy little world we live in, eh?"

I cannot stress this enough,
AT NO TIME WAS I EVER WORKING WITH RUSSEL BROWN, MFX, OR QMX.

CT just made this up so as to discredit my project before it even began, to bring me onto the license holder's radar as someone to pursue with a C&D, and to try to get Russel Brown in trouble with the people he had worked for."


This project was something you had discussed and had talked to Russ about. I know this for a fact. That it never got off the ground is neither here nor there, but the fact is, you had a project and the intent to do so and you had made arrangements to make it happen. Look at what you are saying. How can I discredit a non-existent project? It either had to exist or it didn't. If it didn't why accuse me of discrediting it? Surely I would be discrediting you as a person? It was common knowledge for fuck's safe, you even talked about it. You just happened to say the wrong thing to someone and it got back to me. I think you're a wanker, so I used it to piss you off. So fucking what? As for Russ selling under the counter MFX overruns. That is true. Anyone who attended London Comic Con or something similar would have seen them on sale on his stall. I have a taped telephone conversation where Russ agrees to sell an MFX overrun for "£140 (or summink like that)". Like I said previously, you want to jump into the pool with me, come on in, the water is lovely.